Fate Versus Decision

X: My perception of fate is that at every point of time it gives you options but the sequence of events that happen after that decision is handled by fate. Can you deny the fact that the options that you are given is limited by fate?
Y: I will say it is limited to our thinking. If we can think of 3 options, some body else can think of 10 different options. That’s governed by our thinking
X: Those options they can think of will be limited to the situations they are put under. That cannot be governed by your thinking.
Y: If u put 2 people under same situation with same background. I am sure, if left independently they can both come with lot of different options.
X: If a person, who is in the same situation as you are, analyzes a situation thoroughly and comes up with options then they will come up with the same options. Because there are only so much of options.
Y: We think there are only so many options. But there might be more.
X: Thinking can influence and limit the options that you can think of. But the number of options that actually exists is governed by fate. For example I can think of quitting my job and starting my own company or so many other things. The position I am put into limited my options
Y: Yeah you may even think of other things, so where is fate?
X: But the union of all that I could have done is governed by fate.
Y: It’s again ur thinking right
X: if things have to take a certain turn of events it is bound to happen
Y: yeah in short term. If u fight u can always come back to doing what you wanted to do.
X: My stand is fight for your passion as long as it lasts but do not be disappointed when things don’t take the same course that you thought of.
Y: Right, float like a butterfly and sting like a bee
X: You can fight but can you predict the outcome?
Y: In the longer run yes but not so in the short term.
X: I like to take life in shorter terms. Thinking of a long term when we are not even sure if we will exist the next day is absurd.
Y: But then if the world had thought that way. We wouldn’t be where we are. Look at the dams and roads and Buildings. They wrere built in 10-15 years.
X: I completely agree with you on that perspective. Long term plans are good provided you dont expect them to turn out the way you want it to turn out.
Y: In long term, the means cannot be predicted, the result can be.
X: Not always. Lets say you want to start a company. In case something comes up and you couldn’t then the visions that you have had long term (results) might not work out the same way you thought out to be.
Y: I will fight till my last breadth. If I die how does, short term or long term matter. All perceptions and thoughts and goals matter only as I long as I live. So I will keep fighing to execute my plans till I die
X: I belive in fighting for what I want in life too, but when I realize that it is a worthless fight I leave it right there and move on with other options, that change in attitude within me is what I would call fate
Y: I call it decision again. You decide how long u are going to fight against some thing and when u are going to change course
X: Only a fool will keep fighting for things when he realizes it is not going to happen right.
Y: to stop fighting and moving on is also a decision.
X: There are certain things in life where how much ever you fight you are not going to get it.
Y: It’s not fighting.
X: The fact that you are not going to get what you want is fate.
Y: That’s not fate.
X: Can you change the result by fighting against it???
Y: Its a bad decision to want some thing u might not get
X: That is what I call fate. When certain things dont happen they dont happen.
Y: What has fate got to do with it? It is nature. To accept that and move on is decision. To not accept that is also decision.
X: To keep fighting for it in spite of the fact that you are not going to get it is decision again. But the result that you are not going to get it is fate.
Y: Think Gandhi. If he had given up thinking it’s impossible. We will not be where we are
X: He thought it was possible and it was possible; think logically the population of Indians against a meager amount of British people. If Gandhi did not do it then Subash Chandra Bose would have done it.
Y: No it was told impossible to win a war by Non violence in South Africa. Lance amstrong, the tour de france winner had cancer in his abdomen, chest and liver. He was an ordinary cyclist. He overcame cancer and then went on to win tour de France title 5 consecutive years.how ?
X: Fate had that in store for him
Y: he was quoted almost dead
X: He was meant for better things in life. Not to die.
Y: No he fought against it. He could have very well survived and taken rest
X: Life or the fate has a purpose of life for every person.
Y: No we decide it
X: It guides you through a decision tree and whatever path you take you will end up where you were meant to be. In that decision tree we make decisions.
Y: life is useless if we think that way. I want to think beyond that decision tree. May be form another decision tree myself and fight against the odds. This is what human beings are designed for.
X: I do believe in fighting against odds. It is not that you give everything to fate. You fight your way through it.
Y: I don’t want to give anything to fate. Let it fight with me if it exists
X: You are talking about one person who fought against his health and overcame his problems...because he succeeded...there might be other handful of people who have fought equally to become alright and have not succeeded in living. What do you call that? When something is meant to happen it happens. When you are in sync with what life has in store for you your life goes smoothly. When you are not then you are faced with problems.
Y: Not every one might have the guts ha had
X: When life wants to get you to a certain level, it make you learn things, takes you through a roller coaster ride and puts you where you are and that ride is meant to give you the strength you need for that position in life that you are going to be in later.
X: Fate has a very negative connotation to it. So I will call it life.
Y: It’s all our decisions at every tangential point in life. We take favorable decisions sometimes and sometimes we don’t.
X: What I call fate or life is equivalent to what you call decision.